I found ..... circondario di…
Submitted by alan h on Sat, 02/24/2024 - 14:01A circondaria is an old term…
Submitted by Tony114 on Sat, 02/24/2024 - 14:49A circondaria is an old term for a district. So Italy is divided into 'Regioni' (eg Campagna), within each region are the 'province' (Avellino), within each province are a number of 'comune' (Sant'Angelo Lombardi) which has a central admin centre and perhaps a number of circondarie or districts but also villages or hamlets called 'frazione'. Avellino and Benevento are beautiful 'province' for Roman and Greek history and spectacular scenery rather than manicured pretty villages (blame poor economics and earthquakes) much under rated. Too often people think that only Naples and Amalfi coast exist in Campagna.
Dear Tony, Thank you for…
Submitted by albertmdicaprio on Mon, 02/26/2024 - 10:17In reply to A circondaria is an old term… by Tony114
Dear Tony,
Thank you for your informative response. It has helped me a lot in understanding the many changes that were occuring in the area of my family. So far I am focused on the city of Nusco where my maternal family (the Siano's and the Pepe's) came from.
I hope to expand my research into my paternal family (DiCaprio's and Iannucci's) who came from Benevento (Sant'Angelo di Goti).
Cordially,
Albert DiCaprio
Do you mean Sant'Agata dei…
Submitted by Tony114 on Mon, 02/26/2024 - 11:25In reply to Dear Tony, Thank you for… by albertmdicaprio
Tony, Thank you for noticing…
Submitted by albertmdicaprio on Tue, 02/27/2024 - 15:25In reply to Do you mean Sant'Agata dei… by Tony114
Tony,
Thank you for noticing my mistake. Yes I did mean Sant'Agata de Goti.
Is there two parts of Snat'Agata, one part on a mountain and another in a valley? I seem to recall that my grandfather said he was from Sant'Agata but his family came from a poor section of farmers at the base of a mountain or hill.
Respectfully,
Albert DiCaprio
Sant'Agata is typical of…
Submitted by Tony114 on Tue, 02/27/2024 - 15:58In reply to Tony, Thank you for noticing… by albertmdicaprio
Sant'Agata is typical of many ancient settlements. There is the bit on raised or defensive position where richer people lived within city walls. There there were cheaper houses outside the walls for poorest folk. Across the ravine at Sant'Agata, but not just there, you have the modern expansion as Italy became safer and prosperous. Ironically the old central part of town isn't so desirable, it's pretty but modern s want easy to maintain houses with somewhere to park the car. I visited the old centre a couple of times, atmospheric but a bit faded. Not as manicured as a typical Tuscan town. For family information then often the local church was the best source before Italy became organised. No idea what is a pipemiere. Regards
Hi. A circondario is a…
Submitted by modicasa on Mon, 02/26/2024 - 01:06Hi. A circondario is a suburb, nowadays more likely called a Frazione. - so the outer part of a city. In your case Id say on the outskirts of the comune of Santangelo Lombardi.
A pipemiere seems to have some connection with mining and mines - is that possible in that area?
Modicasa, Thank you for your…
Submitted by albertmdicaprio on Mon, 02/26/2024 - 09:58In reply to Hi. A circondario is a… by modicasa
Modicasa,
Thank you for your kind response.
In response to your question, I would say that mining was a profession in the area. My translation of some of my great grandfather's family Birth Certificates states that they were "scalpellino" which I believe means "Stone Mason".
Cordially,
Albert DiCaprio
Alternatively, he may have…
Submitted by alan h on Mon, 02/26/2024 - 06:01Alternatively, he may have…
Submitted by alan h on Mon, 02/26/2024 - 06:01Alan, thank you for helping…
Submitted by albertmdicaprio on Mon, 02/26/2024 - 09:51In reply to Alternatively, he may have… by alan h
Alan, thank you for helping me in my search. Your responses have been very useful to me. I would ask you, is my "translation" of the
handwriting on the Birth Certificate correct? Is "pipemiere" a real word or is my translation of incorrect?
Cordially,
Albert DiCaprio
According to my online…
Submitted by alan h on Mon, 02/26/2024 - 13:23In reply to Alan, thank you for helping… by albertmdicaprio
Alan, the town name Sant…
Submitted by Tony114 on Tue, 02/27/2024 - 15:03In reply to Alternatively, he may have… by alan h
Alan, the town name Sant'Angelo Lombardi is kinda misleading. There is a link to Lombardia but it is in Campania in the province of Avellino. I am pretty sure the name reflects the Lombard presence in times past. Everyone had a go in Campania, the Greeks, the Romans, the Spanish, the Lombards, Goths, etc. The region is littered with lots of medieval mini castles to keep local control. Used to have a place down there but gave it up as too far to regularly drive down, most of on dull motorway. Great food, good value and dramatic scenery.
Alan, the town name Sant…
Submitted by Tony114 on Mon, 02/26/2024 - 06:39Alan, the town name Sant'Angelo Lombardi is kinda misleading. It is in Campania in the province of Avellino. I am pretty sure the name reflects the Lombard presence in times past. Everyone had a go in Campania, the Greeks, the Romans, the Spanish, the Lombards, etc. The region is littered with lots of medieval mini castles to keep local control. Used to have a place down there but gave it up as too far regularly to drive. Great food and dramatic scenery.
Digging around, a…
Submitted by modicasa on Wed, 02/28/2024 - 01:10Digging around, a pipemiere, appears to have been a man who mined piperno ( a type of vulcanic stone very common in Campania. There were 12 mines around Sant'Angelo Lombardi. It would fit in with his contemporaries being scalpellinos in the mines - not a classic stonemason.
Now that makes sense! What…
Submitted by Tony114 on Wed, 02/28/2024 - 03:26In reply to Digging around, a… by modicasa
Fantastic. That is exciting…
Submitted by albertmdicaprio on Wed, 02/28/2024 - 09:38In reply to Digging around, a… by modicasa
Fantastic. That is exciting to read. I truly appreciate your time and effort finding this information and even better to find a photograph for me. I would never have found those facts on my own. Your knowledge has added much to my search about my family.
Grazie,
Albert DiCaprio